Aug 18 16:01:50 rdieter	#startmeeting KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18
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Aug 18 16:02:08 rdieter	#topic Roll Call
Aug 18 16:02:09 *	zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: Roll Call (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18)
Aug 18 16:02:12 rdieter	who's present today?
Aug 18 16:02:16 svahl	present
Aug 18 16:02:48 *	ltinkl is here
Aug 18 16:03:02 Kevin_Kofler	Present-
Aug 18 16:03:09 than	present
Aug 18 16:03:17 rdieter	jreznik : ping
Aug 18 16:03:27 *	jreznik is here
Aug 18 16:03:39 rdieter	woo
Aug 18 16:03:56 rdieter	#topic add yum-presto to KDE live images as default? (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-August/msg00932.html)
Aug 18 16:03:58 *	zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: add yum-presto to KDE live images as default? (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-August/msg00932.html) (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18)
Aug 18 16:04:00 *	SMParrish here
Aug 18 16:04:06 *	ltinkl thought for a while jreznik was playing ping-pong :D
Aug 18 16:04:31 Kevin_Kofler	+1 to yum-presto, in fact I was the one who suggested doing that even for F11. :-)
Aug 18 16:04:43 rdieter	sounds like the desktop/gnome spin will include it
Aug 18 16:04:50 SMParrish	I've been using it and have had no issues  +1 from me
Aug 18 16:04:50 Kevin_Kofler	(I assume the KPK issues with it have been fixed by now.)
Aug 18 16:05:04 than	it's fine with me
Aug 18 16:05:11 SMParrish	Yes Kpk is fine with presto
Aug 18 16:05:22 jreznik	I'm not using it but why not, +1 (fast network, slow computer)
Aug 18 16:05:34 svahl	ok. I'll add it to the images then
Aug 18 16:05:36 ltinkl	works fine here as well
Aug 18 16:05:38 rdieter	alright, let's "just do it" then.
Aug 18 16:05:38 jreznik	and once it's used in gnome spin
Aug 18 16:05:55 rdieter	#agreed enable yum-presto on kde-desktop spin
Aug 18 16:06:02 jreznik	and let's wait for bugs, we can revert later...
Aug 18 16:06:27 rdieter	svahl: you mind updating spin-kickstarts for that?
Aug 18 16:06:47 svahl	yes, will commit it after the meeting
Aug 18 16:07:03 rdieter	#topic PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent
Aug 18 16:07:04 *	zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18)
Aug 18 16:07:09 rdieter	jreznik: news, status?
Aug 18 16:07:40 jreznik	rdieter: first question is, if we can use gnome authentication agent
Aug 18 16:07:52 jreznik	it looks it's not working for KPackageKit
Aug 18 16:08:13 jreznik	but I've tested it with ported polkit-qt and it's ok
Aug 18 16:08:37 jreznik	so the problem must be somewhere in PackageKit, PackageKit-qt?
Aug 18 16:09:13 Kevin_Kofler	Weird.
Aug 18 16:09:16 than	jreznik, i don't se any problem to use gnome authentication agent if the  PolicyKit 1 Authentication Agent is not ready to use
Aug 18 16:09:27 Kevin_Kofler	than: If it actually works...
Aug 18 16:09:29 jreznik	than: problem is KPK
Aug 18 16:09:51 ltinkl	jreznik: does KPK talk directly to PolicyKit?
Aug 18 16:10:20 SMParrish	ltinkl: no it doesn't that is all handled by Packagekit
Aug 18 16:10:34 jreznik	ltinkl: no, it should be handled by PaK https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499968
Aug 18 16:10:35 bugbot_	Bug 499968: medium, low, ---, smparrish, ASSIGNED, port PackageKit-qt to PolicyKit 1.0
Aug 18 16:10:46 ltinkl	ah ok
Aug 18 16:11:04 ltinkl	anyone working on that port?
Aug 18 16:11:06 Kevin_Kofler	rhughes says PackageKit-qt doesn't need to do anything and it should all be happening in the backend.
Aug 18 16:11:14 jreznik	but something is wrong - I can use gnome authentication agent for KDE apps, not for KPK
Aug 18 16:11:14 Kevin_Kofler	But the thing is, it doesn't work!
Aug 18 16:11:24 ltinkl	only KPK?
Aug 18 16:11:48 SMParrish	jreznik: that because the version of kpk with the updated method calls has not been released yet
Aug 18 16:11:51 jreznik	ltinkl: yes (there are no other K apps using PK, only examples in Polkit-qt
Aug 18 16:12:00 Kevin_Kofler	SMParrish: We need that in Rawhide ASAP.
Aug 18 16:12:00 rdieter	SMParrish: ah yes.
Aug 18 16:12:06 Kevin_Kofler	We can't do any testing otherwise.
Aug 18 16:12:10 Kevin_Kofler	And people will need it!
Aug 18 16:12:15 rdieter	let's defer any panic until the newer kpackagekit lands.
Aug 18 16:12:19 than	jreznik, how about another apps, like k3b ?
Aug 18 16:12:32 ltinkl	SMParrish: released? I didn't see any work being done in SVN, you mean someone is developing this outside?
Aug 18 16:12:33 than	as i know it uses PK
Aug 18 16:12:33 *	jreznik is not using k3b...
Aug 18 16:12:34 rdieter	k3b doesn't include pk support
Aug 18 16:12:46 rdieter	or rather, we build it without it
Aug 18 16:13:01 Kevin_Kofler	And it shouldn't be built with it in Fedora.
Aug 18 16:13:21 SMParrish	ltinkl: upstream has not pushed it to cvs yet.    It will be ready at the end of the week at the latest
Aug 18 16:13:22 Kevin_Kofler	They use PolicyKit to set burning software to suid root or elevate privileges for the in some other way.
Aug 18 16:13:29 Kevin_Kofler	It makes no sense to do that with cdrkit.
Aug 18 16:13:36 Kevin_Kofler	SUID cdrecord is a broken Schilling-ism.
Aug 18 16:13:53 Kevin_Kofler	Wodim works just fine as a regular user.
Aug 18 16:14:11 ltinkl	SMParrish: I'm confused, what is the upstream CVS you talk about? :)
Aug 18 16:14:28 rdieter	s/cvs/svn/ perhaps.
Aug 18 16:14:38 Kevin_Kofler	PK git more likely.
Aug 18 16:14:50 *	ltinkl is even more confused
Aug 18 16:14:55 SMParrish	yeah svn.kde.org    release may be ready as early as tomorrow
Aug 18 16:15:08 Kevin_Kofler	Oh, so KPK SVN.
Aug 18 16:15:09 ltinkl	ok, but I didn't see any commit yet...
Aug 18 16:15:14 rdieter	ok, I propose we defer this issue, until we have a newer kpk
Aug 18 16:15:19 ltinkl	sure
Aug 18 16:15:25 SMParrish	dantii does not push anything to svn until he has it working locally
Aug 18 16:15:29 Kevin_Kofler	We'd still like a native KDE auth agent if possible.
Aug 18 16:15:29 ltinkl	let's move it to next week's meeting
Aug 18 16:15:48 jreznik	rdieter: ok, then if the Gnome auth agent, we are ok...
Aug 18 16:15:53 Kevin_Kofler	SMParrish: We need to bug him to commit early, commit often.
Aug 18 16:15:59 ltinkl	ok, so we will have KPK working with PK1, what about the agent now? :)
Aug 18 16:16:02 jreznik	I'd like to see KDE based one but there's a lot of work
Aug 18 16:16:10 Kevin_Kofler	We can't do collaborative development if everyone works in his/her private corner.
Aug 18 16:16:11 SMParrish	Kevin_Kofler: I'll work on that
Aug 18 16:16:21 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: that was my concern
Aug 18 16:16:41 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: do we have folks here willing to help code it?
Aug 18 16:16:42 jreznik	ltinkl: I have first code, working together on polkit-qt-core lib...
Aug 18 16:17:10 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: otherwise, it may end up similar to kde-plasma-networkmanager, where it's half-broken much of the time.
Aug 18 16:17:11 ltinkl	rdieter: ye jreznik was surely willing to help/look at that
Aug 18 16:17:29 rdieter	that = kpackagekit or kde auth agent ?  or both?
Aug 18 16:17:55 rdieter	I guess it doesn't matter, either way.
Aug 18 16:17:56 jreznik	I'm trying to avoid all glibisms in it and it means lot, lot of work... /me hates PK
Aug 18 16:18:06 jreznik	rdieter: kde auth agent
Aug 18 16:18:15 rdieter	ok
Aug 18 16:18:25 jreznik	but as upstream can't get PK1 running, it's complicated :)
Aug 18 16:18:36 ltinkl	speaking of which, there's another abstraction library being developed in KDE (currently in kdereview) called libkauth
Aug 18 16:19:32 Kevin_Kofler	Yeah, it's supposed to be abstract rather than wrapping only PolicyKit, so it can also work on other OSes or on distros which opt for a different security setup.
Aug 18 16:19:44 ltinkl	yup, which I like
Aug 18 16:19:49 Kevin_Kofler	Of course it's not helpful for stuff like an auth agent.
Aug 18 16:19:58 Kevin_Kofler	It's an abstract API for applications only.
Aug 18 16:20:09 ltinkl	sure, we will need the agent anyway
Aug 18 16:20:19 Kevin_Kofler	The auth agent is provided either by the native OS where it's not KDE or by a KDE component using a lower-level library.
Aug 18 16:20:21 jreznik	agent is standalone thing
Aug 18 16:20:38 rdieter	I think we've beaten polkit pretty good, can we move on?
Aug 18 16:20:50 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO yes.
Aug 18 16:21:03 jreznik	move on, I'll update status on next meeting (KPK, authagent)
Aug 18 16:21:06 rdieter	#topic KDE 4.3.0 update status
Aug 18 16:21:06 *	zodbot` hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE 4.3.0 update status (Meeting topic: KDE SIG -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18)
Aug 18 16:21:25 rdieter	As far as I can tell, we've been getting fairly good feedback here.
Aug 18 16:22:38 rdieter	looking at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=515075&hide_resolved=1  , I don't see anything blocker-worthy either
Aug 18 16:22:53 Kevin_Kofler	We still have 2 open regressions, plus the SELinux one where we need to get a fixed policy pushed (and I have no idea what's up with that on F10).
Aug 18 16:23:03 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516445
Aug 18 16:23:04 bugbot_	Bug 516445: low, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Show Dashboard Shortcut (ctrl-f12) doesn't work after upgrade to kde 4.3.0
Aug 18 16:23:09 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518000
Aug 18 16:23:10 bugbot_	Bug 518000: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, suspend/hibernate from menu not working after update to KDE 4.3
Aug 18 16:23:16 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516824
Aug 18 16:23:17 bugbot_	Bug 516824: medium, low, ---, mgrepl, MODIFIED, kde: suspend to ram fails, selinux denial
Aug 18 16:23:39 rdieter	518000 is svahl's?  that's an interesting one.
Aug 18 16:23:53 svahl	the second one may be due to a not running PowerDevil. 
Aug 18 16:24:07 than	why does kdebase-runtime/kdebase-workspace have require on akonadi?
Aug 18 16:24:20 svahl	But either way. Doing nothing when clicking on a button is not as expected
Aug 18 16:24:55 rdieter	than: it doesn't as far as I can tell, what makes you think that?
Aug 18 16:25:07 rdieter	kdepim-runtime does
Aug 18 16:25:27 than	rdieter, try to remove akonadi you will see
Aug 18 16:25:30 Kevin_Kofler	And I have no idea where that xrandr command makes any difference for suspend working or not.
Aug 18 16:25:38 rdieter	than: I just did, no deps here
Aug 18 16:25:51 than	strange!
Aug 18 16:25:58 rdieter	only kdepim-runtime kdeimlibs-akonadi
Aug 18 16:26:23 than	Dependencies Resolved
Aug 18 16:26:23 than	======================================================================================================
Aug 18 16:26:23 than	 Package                          Arch          Version                      Repository          Size
Aug 18 16:26:23 than	======================================================================================================
Aug 18 16:26:24 than	Removing:
Aug 18 16:26:26 than	 akonadi                          i586          1.2.0-0.1.fc11               installed          1.7 M
Aug 18 16:26:29 than	Removing for dependencies:
Aug 18 16:26:31 than	 akonadi-devel                    i586          1.2.0-0.1.fc11               installed           32 k
Aug 18 16:26:34 than	 kde4-windeco-dekorator           i386          0.3-11.1                     installed          1.6 M
Aug 18 16:26:37 than	 kdeartwork-kxs                   i586          4.3.0-0.1.fc11               installed          199 k
Aug 18 16:26:42 than	 kdeartwork-screensavers          i586          4.3.0-0.1.fc11               installed          2.9 M
Aug 18 16:26:45 than	 kdebase                          i586          6:4.3.0-1.fc11               installed           12 M
Aug 18 16:26:48 than	 kdebase-workspace                i586          4.3.0-5.fc11                 installed           26 M
Aug 18 16:26:51 than	 kdebase-workspace-devel          i586          4.3.0-5.fc11                 installed          617 k
Aug 18 16:26:54 than	 kdebase-workspace-libs           i586          4.3.0-5.fc11                 installed          2.3 M
Aug 18 16:26:57 than	 kdebluetooth                     i586          1:0.3-3.fc11                 installed          354 k
Aug 18 16:27:00 than	 kdemultimedia                    i586          6:4.3.0-0.1.fc11             installed          4.1 M
Aug 18 16:27:03 than	 kdepim                           i586          6:4.3.0-2.fc11               installed           20 M
Aug 18 16:27:09 than	 kdepim-libs                      i586          6:4.3.0-2.fc11               installed           21 M
Aug 18 16:27:09 Kevin_Kofler	#516445 (the dashboard issue) should be fixable with kconf_update.
Aug 18 16:27:09 than	 kdepim-runtime                   i586          4.3.0-1.fc11                 installed          3.3 M
Aug 18 16:27:14 than	 kdepim-runtime-libs              i586          4.3.0-1.fc11                 installed          789 k
Aug 18 16:27:17 than	 kdepimlibs-akonadi               i586          4.3.0-1.fc11                 installed          1.2 M
Aug 18 16:27:20 than	 kdepimlibs-devel                 i586
Aug 18 16:27:22 than	kdebase-workspace has require on akonadi!
Aug 18 16:27:34 *	skvidal points than to fpaste.org
Aug 18 16:27:54 Kevin_Kofler	than: I think it drags in kdepim-runtime which drags in akonadi.
Aug 18 16:28:05 than	as i know we already fixed it in the past
Aug 18 16:28:36 rdieter	than: ah, it does indeed link libakonadi-kde and libakonadi-kmime now somewhere, we can look into that
Aug 18 16:29:05 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO we shouldn't cripple KDE just to disable Akonadi stuff.
Aug 18 16:29:11 Kevin_Kofler	It's becoming more and more central to KDE.
Aug 18 16:29:16 than	rdieter, do you want to take care of it?
Aug 18 16:29:18 Kevin_Kofler	So we should just get used to it being required.
Aug 18 16:29:31 rdieter	well, no, but our tentative plan was to ship f12-fedora-kde without akonadi... I thought?
Aug 18 16:29:43 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO that makes no sense whatsoever.
Aug 18 16:29:44 than	rdieter, correct!
Aug 18 16:29:45 rdieter	but yeah, otherwise, I agree
Aug 18 16:30:00 jreznik	I agree with Kevin_Kofler... I don't see any advantage in not shiping it in F12
Aug 18 16:30:15 Kevin_Kofler	By 4.4 even KMail will require it and users will definitely get it dragged back in by an update.
Aug 18 16:30:19 rdieter	jreznik: for one thing: space, the other, it makes very little sense on a live image
Aug 18 16:30:31 than	mos users don't want to have kdepim and akonadi
Aug 18 16:30:34 rdieter	for kde-desktop default, sure
Aug 18 16:30:55 Kevin_Kofler	than: Uh, our default PIM apps in Fedora KDE are kdepim!
Aug 18 16:31:07 jreznik	kdepim is really important package!
Aug 18 16:31:08 rdieter	than: I'll make you a deal, you file a bug, and I'll fix it. :)
Aug 18 16:31:14 Kevin_Kofler	I don't know what you ship as default in RHEL (Evolution?), but in Fedora, KDE users almost all use kdepim.
Aug 18 16:31:38 ltinkl	we will ship kdepim but for now akonadi isn't necessary
Aug 18 16:31:41 than	Kevin_Kofler, don't undertand me wrong!
Aug 18 16:31:54 ltinkl	it's not much usable atm anyway
Aug 18 16:31:58 than	i just want to get rid of deps on akonadi
Aug 18 16:31:58 rdieter	kdepim works fine without kdepim-runtime/akonadi, mind you.
Aug 18 16:32:11 than	not drop akonadi from F12
Aug 18 16:32:25 jreznik	for f12 indeed, it's not usable but I think it's going to be must have for f13
Aug 18 16:33:50 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter: It won't in 4.4.
Aug 18 16:34:00 than	i know some users they switch to gnome because the cannot deinstall akonadi
Aug 18 16:34:04 Kevin_Kofler	KMail will be entirely based on Akonadi, at least according to the plan.
Aug 18 16:34:22 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: not only KMail
Aug 18 16:34:33 Kevin_Kofler	Some other PIM stuff too, right.
Aug 18 16:34:33 rdieter	that's been "the plan" since 4.1... and that's fine, I let's deal with it when it actually happens.
Aug 18 16:34:39 Kevin_Kofler	But KMail is the most high profile user.
Aug 18 16:35:03 than	Kevin_Kofler, most users from stuttgart office use KDE and evolution!
Aug 18 16:35:07 rdieter	besides, we're only talking about making it *optional*, and not included on the live image.
Aug 18 16:35:15 jreznik	the plan for Akonadi is to be central PIM solution for both desktops...
Aug 18 16:35:17 than	the don't want kmail
Aug 18 16:35:18 rdieter	it should be installed by default via kde-desktop, imo
Aug 18 16:35:41 jreznik	than: evolution is really very very bad an buggy software
Aug 18 16:35:50 than	or thunderbird
Aug 18 16:35:59 than	jreznik, i know
Aug 18 16:36:23 jreznik	kmail is much more better, even some gnome users in Brno are using kmail as it's better (4.2+)
Aug 18 16:36:56 ltinkl	umm, so what is the problem, can't we make akonadi optional for now? :)
Aug 18 16:37:13 rdieter	we're getting a bit offtopic here (for this meeting anyway).  ltinkl : +1, yes
Aug 18 16:37:16 ltinkl	as it really _is_ optional now
Aug 18 16:37:27 jreznik	if we can make akonadi optional, let's do it for f12
Aug 18 16:37:33 Kevin_Kofler	For https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516445 , I see our findings from last meeting have not been reported to the bug reports (neither ours nor the upstream one). :-(
Aug 18 16:37:34 bugbot_	Bug 516445: low, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Show Dashboard Shortcut (ctrl-f12) doesn't work after upgrade to kde 4.3.0
Aug 18 16:37:38 jreznik	we can hope kmail will be ready soon
Aug 18 16:37:41 ltinkl	kmail/korg/kaddressbook still default to the old kresources anyway
Aug 18 16:37:49 Kevin_Kofler	We found the change which needs a kconf_update script for.
Aug 18 16:38:00 Kevin_Kofler	We need to post it to the bug reports if we want upstream to write the script!
Aug 18 16:38:14 Kevin_Kofler	Or we could just write it, which will be faster anyway.
Aug 18 16:38:26 Kevin_Kofler	But we should do that ASAP.
Aug 18 16:38:32 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler's right, :(  , who wants that job?  (the reporting part only for now, bonus points for writing kconf fix)
Aug 18 16:39:24 Kevin_Kofler	As for Akonadi, the thing is, it's not optional as kdebase-workspace is linking it in at compile time.
Aug 18 16:39:36 Kevin_Kofler	If it's optional, it's optional at compile time and you lose features by removing it.
Aug 18 16:42:02 rdieter	I'll be sure not to break anything important.  won't know for sure, until we take a closer look to see exactly where it's coming from
Aug 18 16:42:15 Kevin_Kofler	Maybe we can put the offending stuff into a subpackage.
Aug 18 16:42:22 Kevin_Kofler	But that only works if it's in plugins.
Aug 18 16:42:30 rdieter	that's my hope anyway
Aug 18 16:42:47 Kevin_Kofler	For the SELinux issue, we should nag the SELinux maintainers to push their latest selinux-policy to stable.
Aug 18 16:43:00 Kevin_Kofler	But I don't know whether a fix is needed for F10 too.
Aug 18 16:43:06 rdieter	as long as it lands in stable before kde-4.3.0 does
Aug 18 16:43:12 ltinkl	umm, I don't see akonadi being required here in any of the CMake files in kdebase
Aug 18 16:43:16 rdieter	anyone here still running F-10 ?
Aug 18 16:43:23 ltinkl	or even being tested for
Aug 18 16:43:25 Kevin_Kofler	My machines are all running F10, but I don't have SELinux enabled.
Aug 18 16:43:42 Kevin_Kofler	So I have no idea whether the issue is showing up on F10.
Aug 18 16:43:49 *	jreznik has rawhide first day :)
Aug 18 16:44:05 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: mind turning it on to find out?
Aug 18 16:44:06 svahl	Only in VirtualBox in permissive mode for testing. But I could try to enable enforcing to test it
Aug 18 16:44:27 rdieter	or svahl, someone should test that, else, we could ask in fedora-kde list for help testing that
Aug 18 16:44:31 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter: I can try if I have some time...
Aug 18 16:44:37 Kevin_Kofler	The relabel needs time. :-(
Aug 18 16:44:46 svahl	yeah ;(
Aug 18 16:44:56 Kevin_Kofler	(It has to relabel everything because I have it off entirely, not just permissive.)
Aug 18 16:45:26 svahl	I could try it. If I fail I'll ask for help :)
Aug 18 16:45:34 rdieter	svahl: thanks
Aug 18 16:46:29 svahl	for the extragear packages: skanlite, kiconedit, kcoloredit, kopete-cryptography, kgrab and konq-plugins were built for f10,f11,rawhide
Aug 18 16:46:32 rdieter	any objections to adding kdepim-runtime to default in comps-f12?  just not included on the live image?
Aug 18 16:46:47 Kevin_Kofler	Why not on live image?
Aug 18 16:46:51 Kevin_Kofler	Just to exclude Akonadi?
Aug 18 16:47:00 rdieter	didn't we just have this conversation? :)
Aug 18 16:47:04 Kevin_Kofler	Isn't kdepim-runtime kinda required for a fully-working kdepim?
Aug 18 16:47:06 svahl	they are already in updates-testing and will hit rawhide after the freeze
Aug 18 16:47:48 ltinkl	it's kdepimlibs which are required for workspace/plasma/dataengines/akonadi and workspace/plasma/dataengines/calendar
Aug 18 16:47:53 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO a live image without Akonadi isn't feasible, even if we drop the dep from kdebase-workspace (which I also still don't think makes sense).
Aug 18 16:48:02 than	rdieter, date: 2009/06/05 13:56:02;  author: rdieter;  state: Exp;  lines: +1 -0
Aug 18 16:48:02 than	+BR: akonadi-devel
Aug 18 16:48:12 Kevin_Kofler	The live image has kdepim, kdepim needs kdepim-runtime which drags in Akonadi.
Aug 18 16:48:22 *	rdieter wouldn't want to be that rdieter guy right now. :)
Aug 18 16:48:37 ltinkl	it's only the akonadi and calendar data engines that are added
Aug 18 16:48:42 than	rdieter,  any reason why you added this BR?
Aug 18 16:48:44 rdieter	one more time (with feeling) : kdepim-runtime is optional
Aug 18 16:48:51 ltinkl	but with kdepimlibs found, we might want to adjust those cmake tests
Aug 18 16:48:56 Kevin_Kofler	ltinkl: Then put those into a subpackage.
Aug 18 16:49:04 Kevin_Kofler	kdebase-workspace-pim or something like that.
Aug 18 16:49:11 rdieter	than: I'll take a closer look after meeting, don't remember now exactly
Aug 18 16:49:32 than	rdieter, thanks
Aug 18 16:49:36 svahl	atm kdepim-runtime isn't present on the live images
Aug 18 16:49:37 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm, wait...
Aug 18 16:49:42 Kevin_Kofler	Isn't calendar used by the clock applet?
Aug 18 16:49:53 ltinkl	ye maybe
Aug 18 16:49:55 rdieter	svahl: interesting
Aug 18 16:50:05 ltinkl	kdepimlibs is ok but I think the cmake check is wrong
Aug 18 16:50:36 Kevin_Kofler	Anybody posting our findings from last week to the shortcuts bug?
Aug 18 16:50:37 ltinkl	because we also have BuildRequires: kdepimlibs-devel
Aug 18 16:50:48 ltinkl	so I think it's ok if we drop the BR: akonadi
Aug 18 16:51:10 rdieter	ltinkl: you seem to have a grip on it better than I, you want to work on that?
Aug 18 16:51:30 ltinkl	rdieter: yup, I'll try to disable BR akonadi and see what comes out :)
Aug 18 16:51:58 *	Kevin_Kofler is posting the info to the shortcuts reports, as nobody else is doing it.
Aug 18 16:52:00 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: I can, if you refresh my memory exactly what that was, if you recall... else can dig it up from the last week's log
Aug 18 16:52:22 rdieter	or just do it (better). :)
Aug 18 16:52:35 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: thanks, I don't recall what was the outcome of last week's meeting :/
Aug 18 16:53:36 rdieter	it was the plasma -> plasma-desktop binary rename
Aug 18 16:54:01 rdieter	the conf group [plasma] didn't get migrated to [plasma-desktop] or something like that
Aug 18 16:54:37 rdieter	#topic Open floor
Aug 18 16:54:39 ltinkl	ah yes
Aug 18 16:55:09 rdieter	anything else for today, we're about out of time.
Aug 18 16:55:32 than	to be safe we could split akonadi part in kdebase-workspace-akonadi
Aug 18 16:55:52 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm, I think zodbot lost record of the meeting. :-(
Aug 18 16:56:05 Kevin_Kofler	(The current one. Last week's log is fine.)
Aug 18 16:56:42 rdieter	alright, let's wrap up the meeting, thanks everyone
Aug 18 16:56:43 rdieter	#endmeeting